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		<title>Comment on Renewable meltdown: here’s the true logic of renewable energy by G.R.L. Cowan</title>
		<link>http://canadianenergyissues.com/2012/05/17/renewable-meltdown-heres-the-true-logic-of-renewable-energy/#comment-2060</link>
		<dc:creator>G.R.L. Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If wind energy is relatively cheap, but providing reliable power with wind is crushingly expensive, then don’t compete against reliable grid power. Instead, come up with a novel use of unreliable power.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.projectthinice.org/blog/view/3444/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;propelling an icebreaker&lt;/a&gt;?

One would not want to ride a sail-propelled icebreaker, but a modern wind turbine could have a pretty good chance of keeping the passengers comfortable, with a ballast of lead-acid batteries, even in prolonged calms. And if a gale blew up -- not too hard -- the thrusters could be powered, and through the ice we go.

The outfit named on that page&#039;s masthead -- hey, &quot;mast&quot; -- did go to another power source, but it was, of course, not wind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If wind energy is relatively cheap, but providing reliable power with wind is crushingly expensive, then don’t compete against reliable grid power. Instead, come up with a novel use of unreliable power.</p></blockquote>
<p>How about <a href="http://www.projectthinice.org/blog/view/3444/" rel="nofollow">propelling an icebreaker</a>?</p>
<p>One would not want to ride a sail-propelled icebreaker, but a modern wind turbine could have a pretty good chance of keeping the passengers comfortable, with a ballast of lead-acid batteries, even in prolonged calms. And if a gale blew up &#8212; not too hard &#8212; the thrusters could be powered, and through the ice we go.</p>
<p>The outfit named on that page&#8217;s masthead &#8212; hey, &#8220;mast&#8221; &#8212; did go to another power source, but it was, of course, not wind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Renewable meltdown: here’s the true logic of renewable energy by Markus g</title>
		<link>http://canadianenergyissues.com/2012/05/17/renewable-meltdown-heres-the-true-logic-of-renewable-energy/#comment-2047</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 23:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what he&#039;s saying is this:

If wind energy is relatively cheap, but providing reliable power with wind is crushingly expensive, then don&#039;t compete against reliable grid power. Instead, come up with a novel use of unreliable power.

The problem with this approach is that the capital cost of whatever equipment you need has to be really low and the value of what you make has to be almost as high as products of reliable energy. I&#039;m drawing a blank on possible applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what he&#8217;s saying is this:</p>
<p>If wind energy is relatively cheap, but providing reliable power with wind is crushingly expensive, then don&#8217;t compete against reliable grid power. Instead, come up with a novel use of unreliable power.</p>
<p>The problem with this approach is that the capital cost of whatever equipment you need has to be really low and the value of what you make has to be almost as high as products of reliable energy. I&#8217;m drawing a blank on possible applications.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Renewable meltdown: here’s the true logic of renewable energy by Steve Aplin</title>
		<link>http://canadianenergyissues.com/2012/05/17/renewable-meltdown-heres-the-true-logic-of-renewable-energy/#comment-2046</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Aplin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 22:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>crf, I don&#039;t see the value of wind-powered electricity if it can&#039;t be economically put into the grid, which is the most efficient vehicle for distributing electricity. I mean, it&#039;s not even economical or efficient to have wind in remote communities that are off the grid -- they need diesel anyway so why waste time and money on a superfluous and unreliable power source.

I think you are saying that there could be a niche market for &quot;renewable&quot; mechanical and electric power. Perhaps. But that might bring us back to conflict over public resources. Water power was great if you were running a mill. But not so great if you lived near the same river and wanted electricity. Those in the latter category were more numerous; hence the electric grid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crf, I don&#8217;t see the value of wind-powered electricity if it can&#8217;t be economically put into the grid, which is the most efficient vehicle for distributing electricity. I mean, it&#8217;s not even economical or efficient to have wind in remote communities that are off the grid &#8212; they need diesel anyway so why waste time and money on a superfluous and unreliable power source.</p>
<p>I think you are saying that there could be a niche market for &#8220;renewable&#8221; mechanical and electric power. Perhaps. But that might bring us back to conflict over public resources. Water power was great if you were running a mill. But not so great if you lived near the same river and wanted electricity. Those in the latter category were more numerous; hence the electric grid.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Renewable meltdown: here’s the true logic of renewable energy by crf</title>
		<link>http://canadianenergyissues.com/2012/05/17/renewable-meltdown-heres-the-true-logic-of-renewable-energy/#comment-2045</link>
		<dc:creator>crf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 21:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is storage. Like pumped hydro, or heat sinks, or compressed air.
Of course, storage makes the total cost of electricity much more expensive, for the capital cost and the thermodynamic losses. Demand management and massive grid interconnections might also be part of the answer. Just keep adding up the costs.

Renewables, even though they are often more expensive than their alternatives (coal, gas, nuclear, hydro), are actually relatively cheap compared to what they would be if they were more prevalent, precisely because they are usually a small proportion of the electricity grids, and don&#039;t have too worry much about the myriad issues entwined with their intermittancy. 

The renewables industry might grow faster if they were applied efficiently: towards novel applications that can efficiently use the discontinuous and highly variable electricity or mechanical power they provide. Right now, renewables industries, if not digging their own graves, then are selling their technological potential short, by near-exclusively pushing the industry towards electrical grid connectivity; an application towards they are less well-suited than nuclear and much of the current competition (coal, gas or hydro). 

Too little research is done towards novel uses of the power and electricity provided by renewables. Too much effort is spent trying to push renewables onto the grid. 

And this is understandable too: the economic incentives provided by governments are ever-more steering the renewables industry into this less effective direction of grid power generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is storage. Like pumped hydro, or heat sinks, or compressed air.<br />
Of course, storage makes the total cost of electricity much more expensive, for the capital cost and the thermodynamic losses. Demand management and massive grid interconnections might also be part of the answer. Just keep adding up the costs.</p>
<p>Renewables, even though they are often more expensive than their alternatives (coal, gas, nuclear, hydro), are actually relatively cheap compared to what they would be if they were more prevalent, precisely because they are usually a small proportion of the electricity grids, and don&#8217;t have too worry much about the myriad issues entwined with their intermittancy. </p>
<p>The renewables industry might grow faster if they were applied efficiently: towards novel applications that can efficiently use the discontinuous and highly variable electricity or mechanical power they provide. Right now, renewables industries, if not digging their own graves, then are selling their technological potential short, by near-exclusively pushing the industry towards electrical grid connectivity; an application towards they are less well-suited than nuclear and much of the current competition (coal, gas or hydro). </p>
<p>Too little research is done towards novel uses of the power and electricity provided by renewables. Too much effort is spent trying to push renewables onto the grid. </p>
<p>And this is understandable too: the economic incentives provided by governments are ever-more steering the renewables industry into this less effective direction of grid power generation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Renewable meltdown: here’s the true logic of renewable energy by set</title>
		<link>http://canadianenergyissues.com/2012/05/17/renewable-meltdown-heres-the-true-logic-of-renewable-energy/#comment-2043</link>
		<dc:creator>set</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 17:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate these damn things I have to devote an hour to something I could read in 5 minutes if there was a transcript.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate these damn things I have to devote an hour to something I could read in 5 minutes if there was a transcript.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A ball of water + a growing ball of carbon dioxide = a ball of acid by G.R.L. Cowan, hydrogen-energy fan until ~1996</title>
		<link>http://canadianenergyissues.com/2012/05/15/a-ball-of-water/#comment-2041</link>
		<dc:creator>G.R.L. Cowan, hydrogen-energy fan until ~1996</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 17:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe those textbooks aren&#039;t all that old, but still, you will probably get better information by cracking http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/index.cfm and a similar site for Jupiter that I don&#039;t have the URL for right now.

We have nuclear-powered probes examining the outer planets, and yet somehow it&#039;s not the future. Well, there were supposed to be people on board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe those textbooks aren&#8217;t all that old, but still, you will probably get better information by cracking <a href="http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/index.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/index.cfm</a> and a similar site for Jupiter that I don&#8217;t have the URL for right now.</p>
<p>We have nuclear-powered probes examining the outer planets, and yet somehow it&#8217;s not the future. Well, there were supposed to be people on board.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Renewable meltdown: here’s the true logic of renewable energy by donb</title>
		<link>http://canadianenergyissues.com/2012/05/17/renewable-meltdown-heres-the-true-logic-of-renewable-energy/#comment-2039</link>
		<dc:creator>donb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 15:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No need for iTunes. If you click on the first link (&#039;recent interview&#039;)in the first paragraph of the above story, it will take you to &lt;b&gt;The Atomic Show&lt;/b&gt; podcast page. Once there, you can listen to the interview using the pop-up player, or download the mp3 file.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need for iTunes. If you click on the first link (&#8216;recent interview&#8217;)in the first paragraph of the above story, it will take you to <b>The Atomic Show</b> podcast page. Once there, you can listen to the interview using the pop-up player, or download the mp3 file.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A ball of water + a growing ball of carbon dioxide = a ball of acid by Steve Aplin</title>
		<link>http://canadianenergyissues.com/2012/05/15/a-ball-of-water/#comment-2025</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Aplin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 02:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good questions James. The credit for the graphic goes to a guy from Woods Hole and another guy from the U.S. Geological Survey. I&#039;d guess they did take fresh water lakes into account as well as the volume of water in ocean trenches etc.

Is Europa bigger than Rhea? I&#039;ll have to crack my old astronomy textbooks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good questions James. The credit for the graphic goes to a guy from Woods Hole and another guy from the U.S. Geological Survey. I&#8217;d guess they did take fresh water lakes into account as well as the volume of water in ocean trenches etc.</p>
<p>Is Europa bigger than Rhea? I&#8217;ll have to crack my old astronomy textbooks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on A ball of water + a growing ball of carbon dioxide = a ball of acid by James Greenidge</title>
		<link>http://canadianenergyissues.com/2012/05/15/a-ball-of-water/#comment-2024</link>
		<dc:creator>James Greenidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 22:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to know just how accurate that figure is; is it just taken from mean ocean/lake depths or allows for abysses and deep trenches and massive oceanic sinkholes and undersea calderas? (sp). Match that figure with Europa estimates!

James Greenidge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know just how accurate that figure is; is it just taken from mean ocean/lake depths or allows for abysses and deep trenches and massive oceanic sinkholes and undersea calderas? (sp). Match that figure with Europa estimates!</p>
<p>James Greenidge</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bart’s Comet and the Japan nuclear blackout: how long will mob logic rule? by Darcy</title>
		<link>http://canadianenergyissues.com/2012/05/08/how-reliant-are-developed-countries-on-electricity-in-japan-we-will-find-out/#comment-1985</link>
		<dc:creator>Darcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 00:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some news is starting to be a little more reasonable: 

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/01/sizing-up-health-impacts-a-year-after-fukushima/?ref=japan

&quot;The panel discussion, at the National Press Club in Washington, is one in a series of events timed to the first anniversary of the earthquake, tsunami and nuclear accident at the nuclear plant in March 2011. While the quake and tsunami killed an estimated 20,000 people, radiation has not killed anyone so far, and members of the Health Physics Society, drawn from academia, medicine and the nuclear industry, suggested that the doses were too small to have much effect&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some news is starting to be a little more reasonable: </p>
<p><a href="http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/01/sizing-up-health-impacts-a-year-after-fukushima/?ref=japan" rel="nofollow">http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/01/sizing-up-health-impacts-a-year-after-fukushima/?ref=japan</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The panel discussion, at the National Press Club in Washington, is one in a series of events timed to the first anniversary of the earthquake, tsunami and nuclear accident at the nuclear plant in March 2011. While the quake and tsunami killed an estimated 20,000 people, radiation has not killed anyone so far, and members of the Health Physics Society, drawn from academia, medicine and the nuclear industry, suggested that the doses were too small to have much effect&#8221;.</p>
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